To: [email protected]
From: Tad M.
Date: February 14, 2003
Subject: The Other side
Im going to be honest up front and tell you that I work at
Rogers. I am a customer service representative, and
trainer, in the Wireless division of the Ontario region.
I heard about your web site today and have to tell you that
I am impressed. I have read several of them mention
about how 'lost' customers were treated and I feel sorry for
them. Being an employee of a large company in a very
competitive market (bearing in mind I'm speaking from the
Wireless side of things only here), I see how people can feel
treated unfairly. I hear, on a daily basis, from customers
on how they are upset about they way they have been treated
and so on. I can only tell you from my first hand knowledge
that I take it upon myself each and every day put my
best foot forward to help that customer resolve their issues.
Of course this can't always be done, but I certainly try.
I not only work at ROGER's but I am a customer of theirs
also. I can't persuade anyone on here to change their
minds about their past with us, but I can tell you that I
represent a company that is trying hard to fix things.
This I know, and it can't be disputed because like I said,
I also train people and I ensure they know all the information
A lot of the situations you
have posted are VERY legit, but let's be fair here, anyone
can have these issues with any company. Any company
can have issues, and when you have so many customer service
representatives to train and keep up to date, it can be challenging.
The Wireless industry is still rather new and changes each
and every day. Information must be absorbed by humans
and anyone reading this can't say that they are flawless.
I don't know who you are or
what exactly your beef is, perhaps you are employed by the
people you are trying to sell us all on.but you mention that
you haven't had any issues with FIDO, and that's great.
But I have been a customer of FIDO's and although their customer
service was fantastic, the
bare reality is that they don't have the expansive coverage
that ROGER's can offer. You must understand that in
order for a cell phone to work, you need a tower. That
device you hold in your hand is not a magical instrument that
instantly connects you to the person you are looking to reach.
It must send a radio wave to a permanent fixture then transmit
it to a device that will
search for the person you are looking to talk to. If
you have a concrete wall in the way, or are moving at high
rates of speed, or you are beside a body of water, you are
greatly reducing the ability of that phone. Let's face
it here, it would be absolutely impossible to have flawless
When you purchase a phone from a store (which are all independently
owned and operated may I add), you are purchasing a product
from Nokia, Motorolla or Seimens for instance and NOT ROGER's.
This is why a warranty from the manufacturer is given with
the phone. We as a company rely on the manufacturers
(as do the other carriers in Canada) to supply the customer
with the means to utilize the service that we offer.
When a phone doesn't work, or is lost, ROGER's can not be
held responsible. Anyone with a business sense can understand
this. I mean, if your television breaks you don't call
ROGER's because you have their cable service, you call the
you purchased the tv from or the manufacturer of the tv itself.
If you don't turn the tv on for days because you were away
on holidays, you don't call the cable company and tell them
you weren't home so don't charge you. The same thing
applies with wireless. If you lose the phone or its
broke, you cant expect us to credit that time back of service
just because you cant use it.
I'm sorry that some people on here have had issues with the
wireless side of things.I really am. I'm sure you can
see from this email that I care not only for ROGER's but I
care for the customer also. I want to be treated fairly
if I have an issue with a company. I put myself in that
customers situation and try to come to some sort of resolution.
I really do try this.
And coming from the 'inside'
of the company you hate so very much, I can tell you how hard
I am trying to ensure that every customer is a happy one.
After all we need customers to be a business. I need
customers in order for me to have a job. I understand
this and I promise you that ROGER's
understands this also. Every day there is enhancement
training, every day there are emails sent out about how to
improve ourselves. If you take a look at yourself right
now, a good hard look, you can't say you are flawless.
You may do something wrong today that you will learn from
make it better for down the road. That's what will help
make you a better person. Well ROGER's is the same thing.
We are not mistake free, we DO make mistakes. We are
only human at the root of it all, and we are all improving
daily. I give you my word on that.
You said that you won't hear
a customer service representative say 'we made a mistake',
well you just did! We do, BUT we try to fix it.
When a mistake is made, the biggest part of that mistake isn't
always the admittance that you made it, it's the way you correct
it so it won't happen again. No one wants to say 'I
made a mistake', it's embarrassing.
I know you are reading this
now and thinking of something mean to say, some way to distort
my words and make me sounds foolish and that's fine.
Maybe that's the person you are, but I look at it differently.
I think you are a good customer that was treated poorly, you
gave that company a chance and we failed. For that I'm
sorry. I'm not going to say that whatever it was, wasn't
important or anything of the like. We all have busy
lives and when something like this disrupts it, we tend to
hold grudges. I apologize that I haven't had the time
to read your exact reasoning behind putting so much effort
into this web site page (by the way its is VERY well done),
do deserve feedback from the party you are upset with.
I know that every article in here is legit, and I'm certain
everyone's claim is VERY important to them. I wish I
could take the opportunity to speak to everyone directly and
see if I could possibly change their thoughts on us.
I'm not saying I'd try to get them back, but I am saying I'd
try to have them understand it was a mistake. It was
a mistake we lost their business for whatever reason we did.
I take each scenario I had the opportunity to read tonight
and take it personally. It truly hurts me to see so
many people upset at the job I do my very best at.
So now I ask you this, after
all I have tried to explain, tried to convey, and tried to
put my personal thoughts to, are you going to find things
to twist, attempt to embarrass me over and make fun of, or
are you going to try to see it from my point of view as you
have done with all the other write-ins? I am leaving
my personal email address here for anyone to write to me,
I would give you my word, that I will look into every case
that I am presented and see what can be done to help you out.
Of course there are NO promises here other then ill look into
it. And to the person that wrote
this page, same goes for you, I'm all ears. Write away..and
EMAIL address is NOT
GETTING LISTED HERE
(because my work email contains my last name, I'm sure you
can understand why I would prefer to use this address until
I have contacted you directly)
Tad sorry I dont post
anyones e-mail address and there are no exceptions.
Maybe you are someone who really does care. Maybe you are
the reason ROGERS still has customers. There are people out
there that dont hate ROGERS (yet). I can admit that.
I am only conveying my experiences and allowing others to
do the same. I cant speak for anyone else, but I can
honestly say I dont want to be a ROGERS customer again
EVER! I dont want to hear what you have to say, I couldnt
There are alternatives to
ROGERS and I am using them. But much greater than that Tad,
the products and the service are better than what ROGERS has
to offer! Yes Tad thats right. I didnt have to
sell my soul for StarChoice and I made no deal with the devil
for a Fido. I simply called their phone numbers and said,
"Sign me up."
You dont get it Tad.
For years ROGERS had a monopoly. They dont anymore.
Other companies will bend over backwards for new business.
ROGERS still projects the, "Were the only game
in town" attitude. Well theyre not. How many cable,
internet and cellular customers in ROGERS service areas
are now using alternatives? MILLIONS Tad. That is a shit load
of money NOT going to ROGERS. And do you know what Tad? In
time ROGERS will lose more customers to alternatives because
their attitude will not change. Sure they may buy out Fido,
and when they do Im going to Telus. And I wont
Im afraid one person
with your attitude is not enough. Refreshing as it may be
coming from a ROGERS employee.
To: [email protected]
Date: February 25, 2003
Subject: MY thoughts
I will inform you guys Roger's
is the best and don't blame the entire company for an error
that maybe a contractor made. Talk with them and you
will see that they are a very decent firm and they will also
admit that they have no where's near a monopoly. The
Satellite companies do they are EVERYWHERE
If you guys are decent you
Lets clarify - ROGERS
sends a contractor to do some work and he screws it up. You
say we shouldnt blame ROGERS? O.K. Who should we blame?
Cable goblins? Naughty Internet pixies? DSL trolls?
I dont even understand
the sentence, "The Satellite companies do they are EVERYWHERE"
Are you referring to a monopoly? Yet you used the plural,
"companies". How can "companies" (plural)
that are "everywhere" have a monopoly? Aside from
a board game, do you know what "monopoly" means?
To: [email protected]
From: Shamil R.
Date: March 12, 2003
Subject: WIRELESS alternative
You are a fool - did you also
develop ihatebell.ca or ihatetelus.ca - every organization
has it's problems so I dare you to not find any with the alternatives
listed on your site. You have too much time on your
hands. Stop wasting time and go find a job. You
are just one of those bitcher/whiner types who is never happy
with anything no matter what the circumstance. It's
people like you who make me and 99% of the other consumers
in this country sick.
I want to thank you for
taking the time out of your busy schedule to write me.
Thanks for a good laugh. People like yourself are an
endless source of entertainment.
Tell your boss, Ted Rogers
I said hello. You can also let him know that through
(mainly the "Rants" section) more than 70 subscribers
to one or more of ROGERS' poorly provided services have been
persuaded to a ROGERS alternative, thus canceling their
ROGERS' services. And the "I HATE ROGERS" T-Shirt give
away has been a huge success.
Keep up the fine letter writing
and maybe one day you can aspire to be another Ted Kaczynski.
Please be so kind as to tell everyone you know about www.ihaterogers.ca.
I would really appreciate it. Thanks again. Your
acknowledgement means the world to me.
To: [email protected]
From: Kris K.
Date: March 15, 2003
You've got way to much time
on your hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im convinced there
are big signs posted all over ROGERS offices instructing
their employees to send me an e-mail saying, "I have
too much time on my hands" (please notice the correct
spelling for the word "too" Kris).
By the way Kris, how many
installations did you skip formulating your incredibly well
written commentary on ihaterogers.ca?
To: [email protected]
Date: March 17, 2003
Subject: Cable Techs
Spelling errors highlighted
I just wanna
just read that you said a rogers cable tech getting
paid 16 dollars a
hour is overpaid. Let me ask you something would go out in
the middle of this February(remember how cold it was)
and run a tv or modem line that could take up to 2 hours for$8.25
what rogers pays us, some days we make below minimun
wage. Rogers just currently cut all contractors
pay by about 20%. Which i
am one of. We did make about 25 an hour before, now there
is less work and with the pay cuts we make around 14 an hour.
Let me see you do this job for one day, at any pay. I wanna
see you hang a main cable feed in the middle of winter to
a house and run the first line for $16.50, you say we are
over paid know what your
talking about before you say a word. right
back at (e-mail address omitted) if u
have any questions. If your
answer you and your pathetic little site. by
the way i
hate rogers too.
I am an idiot? You cant
spell, you have no idea what words require being capitalized
or when to use punctuation like periods, question marks, etc.
and you write sentences with words missing and all contractions
but I am an idiot??
So theres less work
for ROGERS installers huh? Gee
I wonder why? Can
you say "alternatives"?
Youd like to see me
hang a main cable feed in the middle of winter to a house
and run the first line for $16.50? Why? I pay the kid who
shovels my driveway $20 and hes done in about 40 minutes.
That works out to $30 an hour. I cant afford to take
a job that pays less than what I pay a 14 year old kid.